While personally, Mr Arcto, I am more of a Zero Seater, I do see the value in tactics, especially writing to your MP. It always annoys me when people don’t seem to realise that we can do both at the same time.
Internal and external pressure are not mutually exclusive. While I don’t think nor want to save the Tory party, I will certainly be sending that letter to my local MP.
Great post! I wanted to gauge interest on something related. I am considering posting on how to rise the ranks of civil service. It is currently what I am doing in the US, partly because I am a natural fit and partly because I think we need more rightists in powerful locations in the deep state. I don’t see many rightists advocating to enter the deep state, and I am not sure why. If I wrote posts on rising the ranks and being a better government manager, would anyone be interested in reading them?
Thank you, and I’d definitely read something like that! We need people with all kinds of experience if we’re going to make a success of this, and having people with actual knowledge of the bureaucracy is essential.
Thanks. This is a very helpful starter kit for retaking our country. I’ve already copied the Cass report letter. Doubtless other similar questions will crop up where the same tactic of writing to public representatives seeking their agreement and plans to implement plus getting them to explain variance if that is the case can be deployed.
As far as social media is concerned I’m wondering whether anyone has any advice on maintaining anonymity. Are there ways that are guaranteed to avoid doxing or exposure?
Just never use your real name, and don't give any clues under your real name about your pseudonym.
The security services will still be able to get you if they want you, but we're not at that point yet. It's mostly just social ostracism and lack of employment rather than legal action, though in Britain you do need to be more careful than in the US because we don't have the First Amendment.
This is good, and I would add one way to participate without running as a candidate. Join civil rights groups like FAIR, and/or build a network of friends with similar views and start giving public lectures and speeches in places like libraries, where you offer constructive views on how people can improve themselves or their lot in life. Network network network with other outsiders.
Yeah, its North American, agree does not apply to you. But there are other groups in the UK that are not strictly political parties, where one can network and broadcast messages of reason.
I don’t want to sound rude but this is extremely naive, voting for certain Tory politicians isn’t going to change anything, especially those with no British lineage, they are simply puppets of power like everyone else in the party.
You can’t change the Tory party, even if they start throwing out red meat. Just look at how they treated Enoch Powell 50years ago, the Monday Club, Right Now!, and the revolutionary conservative caucus are other examples of attempts to drag the Conservative Party to the right and failing (they had considerable support but were still betrayed).
The Tory party is a limb of the elites and cannot be hijacked. Reform are controlled opposition who answer will always back down to organisations like Hope Not Hate etc. They hate us and have only ever betrayed us.
thanks, but respectfully, it's more practicable than 'zero seats.' Although a Tory defeat is necessary, there's no realistic prospect of replacing them. It seems like wishful thinking that a 'based' part will somehow emerge phoenix like out of the rubble and is just the RW equivalent of Marxists and Christian Fundamentalist millenarianism. Also, yes the Tory's have betrayed their voters, the question is - why and what do we do about it? Crying and saying we'll never forgive them etc is useless - this is politics not eastenders.
Tbh thinking that the torie party can be reformed and save our country is even more wishful thinking than hoping for another party. The true right has tried to reform them countless times failing every time. The people who control the party would rather loose than let the true right take control.
I think you're letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. All those you mention did manage to significantly shift the Tories to the right, or at least, make them much less left wing; people today just underestimate quite how left wing they were in the post-war era. JEP and the Monday Club achieved most of what they wanted on anticommunism, anti-federalism, europe, defence, crimminal justice etc. Even immigration was severely tightened from 1971-2001, although it didn't go far enough. Our current woes are a post-2001 problem. Out of interest, what is your proposed solution, given our political system?
I’ve had many thoughts on solutions, I don’t want to get into to much depth here but they all start with focusing on influencing public thought (especially young men) through metapolitics like the nouvelle droite, while building a vanguardist political vehicle simultaneously.
I’ve also had thoughts about infiltrating and changing the direction of the environmentalist movement and also harnessing other smaller groups like farmers.
If you're interested in shifting environmentalist groups in the right direction, we may be able to collaborate on that, if you're comfortable doing so.
If you look at the early history of environmentalism, at least in the UK and Germany (can't speak for other countries), pretty much all of the founding figures of conservationism were at the very least hardline conservatives, if not far more radical than that e.g. Wilhelm Heinrich Riehl, Ernst Moritz Arndt, Viscount Lymington, etc. You find some environmentalist sentiments expressed by left-wing figures, but no real coherent body of thought on the subject. Much of the early rightist environmentalist work has been swept under the rug, but a far more coherent case can be made for environmentalism from the right. It's a shame that it has been abandoned to the enemy, but then that seems to be the usual practice of the right these days.
That’s fair enough. I’m not of an artistic persuasion but the meta-political side is also important so if you’re able to make a go of that, all power to you. The left made use of both politics and meta politics to succeed so if we can do the same that’s great. If we all use our talents and our counter revolution has multiple strands that complement each other, all the better.
I don't agree with Zero Seats and think it's actually very counter-productive. I do believe that the Tories need to lose next election, I'm not like J'Accuse who believes the prospect of a Starmer government is so terrible we should vote for the Tories as the lesser evil.
Zero Seats fails to distinguish between the factions of the Tory Party, lumping them all into one basket, something Reform has also done. But there are huge differences, MPs like those I mentioned do share many aspects of our worldview.
And, I must say, whilst I think talk about the declining percentage of the White population, HBD to explain unequal group outcomes, and the taboo around White identity is perfectly legitimate, saying that you don't like certain people, even when they agree with our views, purely due to their ethnicity, to me crosses a line, and something I do not want to indulge. I'd take Kemi Badenoch over Owen Jones any day of the week, color means nothing in that scenario,
It doesn’t matter if you agree with 90% of our views, if you don’t think preserving the ethnic make up of the people who built this country and its culture is important then everything else is irrelevant. If you are of a different racial group you have a different biological makeup thus your brain will work in a different way, this will have many terrible consequences e.g. loss of community and trust, indifference to traditions, indifference to particularities, and the inability to parse the way of being of the natives. Thus if we have politicians who are not of us they will not govern in fully our favour even if they try. Being anti-woke is worthless if you don’t take into account ethnic identity.
Zero seats, although not likely, can be productive because if the Tory party have zero power or influence what’s to stop people from voting for a more radical party that doesn’t have any globalist control.
All tories are the same even the ones on further to right wouldnt change hate speech laws, immigration, lgbt, etc. Like I said look what happen to Enoch Powell 50years ago! There have been many attempts to drags the tories to the right and all have failed because the elites who control the party see just as big a threat to their power in the true right as they do in the far left, if not more so. The torie elites have no problem with woke, the true point of the party is to stop any real rw opposition.
While personally, Mr Arcto, I am more of a Zero Seater, I do see the value in tactics, especially writing to your MP. It always annoys me when people don’t seem to realise that we can do both at the same time.
Internal and external pressure are not mutually exclusive. While I don’t think nor want to save the Tory party, I will certainly be sending that letter to my local MP.
Thank you very much!
Value in the THESE tactics* (Oh how I hate typos!!)
Great post! I wanted to gauge interest on something related. I am considering posting on how to rise the ranks of civil service. It is currently what I am doing in the US, partly because I am a natural fit and partly because I think we need more rightists in powerful locations in the deep state. I don’t see many rightists advocating to enter the deep state, and I am not sure why. If I wrote posts on rising the ranks and being a better government manager, would anyone be interested in reading them?
Thank you, and I’d definitely read something like that! We need people with all kinds of experience if we’re going to make a success of this, and having people with actual knowledge of the bureaucracy is essential.
I like this, some good ideas.
thank you! There's a slightly updated version on John Arcto's substack as well.
Thanks. This is a very helpful starter kit for retaking our country. I’ve already copied the Cass report letter. Doubtless other similar questions will crop up where the same tactic of writing to public representatives seeking their agreement and plans to implement plus getting them to explain variance if that is the case can be deployed.
As far as social media is concerned I’m wondering whether anyone has any advice on maintaining anonymity. Are there ways that are guaranteed to avoid doxing or exposure?
Just never use your real name, and don't give any clues under your real name about your pseudonym.
The security services will still be able to get you if they want you, but we're not at that point yet. It's mostly just social ostracism and lack of employment rather than legal action, though in Britain you do need to be more careful than in the US because we don't have the First Amendment.
This is good, and I would add one way to participate without running as a candidate. Join civil rights groups like FAIR, and/or build a network of friends with similar views and start giving public lectures and speeches in places like libraries, where you offer constructive views on how people can improve themselves or their lot in life. Network network network with other outsiders.
FAIR is a paper tiger unfortunately, and is an American organisation so it wouldn't apply to us.
Yeah, its North American, agree does not apply to you. But there are other groups in the UK that are not strictly political parties, where one can network and broadcast messages of reason.
I don’t want to sound rude but this is extremely naive, voting for certain Tory politicians isn’t going to change anything, especially those with no British lineage, they are simply puppets of power like everyone else in the party.
You can’t change the Tory party, even if they start throwing out red meat. Just look at how they treated Enoch Powell 50years ago, the Monday Club, Right Now!, and the revolutionary conservative caucus are other examples of attempts to drag the Conservative Party to the right and failing (they had considerable support but were still betrayed).
The Tory party is a limb of the elites and cannot be hijacked. Reform are controlled opposition who answer will always back down to organisations like Hope Not Hate etc. They hate us and have only ever betrayed us.
ZERO SEATS!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F-x5yunHs5g
thanks, but respectfully, it's more practicable than 'zero seats.' Although a Tory defeat is necessary, there's no realistic prospect of replacing them. It seems like wishful thinking that a 'based' part will somehow emerge phoenix like out of the rubble and is just the RW equivalent of Marxists and Christian Fundamentalist millenarianism. Also, yes the Tory's have betrayed their voters, the question is - why and what do we do about it? Crying and saying we'll never forgive them etc is useless - this is politics not eastenders.
Tbh thinking that the torie party can be reformed and save our country is even more wishful thinking than hoping for another party. The true right has tried to reform them countless times failing every time. The people who control the party would rather loose than let the true right take control.
I think you're letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. All those you mention did manage to significantly shift the Tories to the right, or at least, make them much less left wing; people today just underestimate quite how left wing they were in the post-war era. JEP and the Monday Club achieved most of what they wanted on anticommunism, anti-federalism, europe, defence, crimminal justice etc. Even immigration was severely tightened from 1971-2001, although it didn't go far enough. Our current woes are a post-2001 problem. Out of interest, what is your proposed solution, given our political system?
I’ve had many thoughts on solutions, I don’t want to get into to much depth here but they all start with focusing on influencing public thought (especially young men) through metapolitics like the nouvelle droite, while building a vanguardist political vehicle simultaneously.
I’ve also had thoughts about infiltrating and changing the direction of the environmentalist movement and also harnessing other smaller groups like farmers.
If you're interested in shifting environmentalist groups in the right direction, we may be able to collaborate on that, if you're comfortable doing so.
I’m happy to help if I can!
I'm for that. I think it's a crying shame how environmentalism is tied in with Wokeism.
If you look at the early history of environmentalism, at least in the UK and Germany (can't speak for other countries), pretty much all of the founding figures of conservationism were at the very least hardline conservatives, if not far more radical than that e.g. Wilhelm Heinrich Riehl, Ernst Moritz Arndt, Viscount Lymington, etc. You find some environmentalist sentiments expressed by left-wing figures, but no real coherent body of thought on the subject. Much of the early rightist environmentalist work has been swept under the rug, but a far more coherent case can be made for environmentalism from the right. It's a shame that it has been abandoned to the enemy, but then that seems to be the usual practice of the right these days.
That’s fair enough. I’m not of an artistic persuasion but the meta-political side is also important so if you’re able to make a go of that, all power to you. The left made use of both politics and meta politics to succeed so if we can do the same that’s great. If we all use our talents and our counter revolution has multiple strands that complement each other, all the better.
I don't agree with Zero Seats and think it's actually very counter-productive. I do believe that the Tories need to lose next election, I'm not like J'Accuse who believes the prospect of a Starmer government is so terrible we should vote for the Tories as the lesser evil.
Zero Seats fails to distinguish between the factions of the Tory Party, lumping them all into one basket, something Reform has also done. But there are huge differences, MPs like those I mentioned do share many aspects of our worldview.
And, I must say, whilst I think talk about the declining percentage of the White population, HBD to explain unequal group outcomes, and the taboo around White identity is perfectly legitimate, saying that you don't like certain people, even when they agree with our views, purely due to their ethnicity, to me crosses a line, and something I do not want to indulge. I'd take Kemi Badenoch over Owen Jones any day of the week, color means nothing in that scenario,
It doesn’t matter if you agree with 90% of our views, if you don’t think preserving the ethnic make up of the people who built this country and its culture is important then everything else is irrelevant. If you are of a different racial group you have a different biological makeup thus your brain will work in a different way, this will have many terrible consequences e.g. loss of community and trust, indifference to traditions, indifference to particularities, and the inability to parse the way of being of the natives. Thus if we have politicians who are not of us they will not govern in fully our favour even if they try. Being anti-woke is worthless if you don’t take into account ethnic identity.
Zero seats, although not likely, can be productive because if the Tory party have zero power or influence what’s to stop people from voting for a more radical party that doesn’t have any globalist control.
All tories are the same even the ones on further to right wouldnt change hate speech laws, immigration, lgbt, etc. Like I said look what happen to Enoch Powell 50years ago! There have been many attempts to drags the tories to the right and all have failed because the elites who control the party see just as big a threat to their power in the true right as they do in the far left, if not more so. The torie elites have no problem with woke, the true point of the party is to stop any real rw opposition.
I think this is a very naïve view.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.